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Acts17Apologetics on what Breivik is and is not

See also: Anders Behring Breivik: Not a Christian. Not a free marketer.

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  1. Prodos,

    I don’t think this is the right tack to take with this. Why defend Christianity? I understand that you are sympathetic with today’s Conservative right and favor it over today’s Left. I do too. But I still wouldn’t argue that Brevik wasn’t really Christian. Here’s why.

    It is true that Breivik was what a Conservative would call a “Darwinian Materialist”; ie he was really a secularist that did not believe in religious (ie Christian in this case) metaphysics. But Breivik was a “cultural Christian” (his term) in that he believed that Christianity was necessary to provide a moral base for European society and that without it Europe had no way to defend itself as a society. This IS a Christian argument. ALL Christian Conservatives make this argument in one form or other.

    Now it is also true that Breivik was a racialist Conservative which currently is a minority position among Conservatives but his belief in the necessity of religion to provide the moral foundation of society is Christianity and Conservatism 101. In that sense he was the MODEL CHRISTIAN.

    I very much respect your views and have been a fan of yours since the 90s (we go back!). But I think you are wrong here to defend Christianity. Christianity does not need another apologist. And an Objectivist no less!

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    • Thanks for your comments, Jack.

      A quick response …

      I very much respect your views and have been a fan of yours since the 90s (we go back!). But I think you are wrong here to defend Christianity. Christianity does not need another apologist. And an Objectivist no less!

      I’m very happy for a fellow Objectivist to disagree with me. I welcome and enjoy it. 🙂

      As an Objectivst – a follower of Ayn Rand’s philosophy – the most rational philosophy for living on earth ever discovered and formulated – my moral obligation is to seek the truth and to be just.

      In the last couple of years I’ve been steadily studying Christianity. This started years after studying Islam.

      My method of studying Christianity is to refer to the canonical texts. The Old Testament, and the Gospels. And when doing so, to do my best to understand the earliest Greek versions. So I’ve got several interlinear English/Greek versions that I use.

      I also go and study the most scholarly exegeses I can find of the sections that I’m focusing on at the time. For instance I’m saving up at present to buy a small book which deals with the Gospel of Matthew.

      As part of my studies I also hassle my very knowledgeable Christian friends – Greek Orthodox, Anglican, Catholic, and “happy clappies” – and thrash things out with them.

      For instance, when I was studying Matthew 10:34 a couple of years ago, after I’d finished my studies and felt I had a strong grasp of the meaning of this section, I phoned an interstate Christian politician friend and asked him how he interpreted Matthew 10:34.

      He told me. I told him he was totally wrong, and explained how and why. He was flabbergasted and ended up agreeing with me 100%. I laughed at him and told him the Atheist will return with another lesson soon.

      So, would you call what I do, being “another apologist”?

      … Breivik was a “cultural Christian” (his term) in that he believed that Christianity was necessary to provide a moral base for European society and that without it Europe had no way to defend itself as a society. This IS a Christian argument. ALL Christian Conservatives make this argument in one form or other.

      But what does Breivik mean by “Christianity”?

      Words have meanings. Don’t they? (I raise my eyebrows at you.)

      If by “Christianity” Breivik means the same – or close to the same – thing that the Christian Conservatives mean, your argument might hold.

      But he doesn’t.

      In any case, I intend to maintain a long term dialogue with the Christians.

      Furthermore, if it was claimed that Breivik was a Scientologist and it turned out that he wasn’t, I’d be happy to point that out. And if such an accusation was used to malign Scientologists (rather than debate and rebut them) then I would gladly defend Scientologists. Indeed, I have proudly done so on numerous occasions over the years.

      Because that, my friend, is what Good Objectivists do.

      What they don’t do is what Onkar Ghate recently did in THIS stupid article, which is merely the flip side of THIS sort of stupid Ayn-Rand-bashing article by (Catholic) Father Robert Sirico, who did not behave the way a Good Christian ought to. In fact he didn’t even behave the way a decent Gentleman should behave.

      Now it is also true that Breivik was a racialist Conservative which currently is a minority position among Conservatives but his belief in the necessity of religion to provide the moral foundation of society is Christianity and Conservatism 101. In that sense he was the MODEL CHRISTIAN.

      So let us project into a future where the philosophy of Objectivism is right up there with the religion of Christianity. Someone comes along, who expressly states that he doesn’t believe in Objectivism. Let’s say he doesn’t really accept that Existence is Identity, or that Capitalism really is the most moral and the most practical system for Man. But he says that society would do well to embrace both “believing” and “non-believing” forms of Objectivism. Would he be a MODEL OBJECTIVIST?

      If you think this is far-fetched, I tell you it’s not. Several years ago I banned a Finnish blogger from my network who was a racialist and a proponent of Objectivism. I mean he called himself an Objectivist. He knew his Ayn Rand inside out. He even fooled Dr Peikoff, until I wrote to Dr Peikoff to clarify things.

      Finally, let me say that my approach is not about taking “the right tack”. It’s not a strategy or a tactic.

      It’s simply about doing my best to do what’s right.

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