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Mikko Ellila article – Aapo Puhakka’s English translation confirmed as quite accurate!

Mikko Ellila (Ellilä) has written on this blog and on his own blog that Aapo Puhakka’s English translation of the originalSociety Consists of People was “awful” and “misleading”.

However, Kenneth Sikorski who is fluent in both English and Finnish has now proof-read Aapo’s translation and found it to be largely accurate with “very few discrepencies” between Aapo’s translation and Mikko’s original article.

Below, I provide Kenneth’s notes. As you’ll see, the corrections/adjustments are quite minimal and do NOT result in a different understanding of Mikko’s article.

First, here’s what Mikko wrote about the translation.

Onthe PRODOS BlogMikko wrote:

The translation is awful. It’s a Babelfish translation and has not been proof-read by me.

I asked a bilingual friend of mine to correct the numerous grammatical errors in the translation but he was in a hospital and couldn’t post the corrections. The translation is totally unauthorised. I have not given explicit permission to translate any of my texts, but I appreciate the effort of Mr. Aapo Puhakka. He meant well, but his translation is very misleading.

On Mikko’s own bloghe wrote:

A Babelfish-style translation of the article that Puumalainen’s accusations of “hate speech” are based on is available courtesy of Mr. Aapo Puhakka. The translation is very poor, but not deliberately distorted. Thanks to Mr. Puhakka for going through the trouble of making the point made in the article accessible to foreign readers. I have asked a bilingual person to review the translation and email the corrections to Mr. Puhakka.

Now here they are side-by-side …

Aapo Puhakka’s English translation from Finnish of Mikko Ellila’s article

Kenneth Sikorski’s modifications
of Aapo Puhakka’s translation

In the discussion of immigration and multiculturalism many people seem to forget, that every society and culture is created and upheld by certain kind of people. In the discussion of immigration and multiculturalism many people seem to forget, that every society and culture is created and upheld by certain kind of people.
European culture and modern western society is created by white people. European culture and modern western society is created by white people.
One could see in Africa societies and cultures created by black people, if there were no railroads, airplanes, streets with asphalt, stone houses, electricity, telephone, television, etc.

One could see in Africa societies and cultures created by black people, if there were no [white people there building] railroads, airplanes,
streets with asphalt, stone houses, electricity, telephone[s], television[s], etc.
People of Middle-East have created culture of desert-living tribes, that is so called islamic culture. People of Middle-East have created culture of desert-living tribes, that is so called islamic culture. [Middle-Eastern peoples have created in the
desert a culture of tribal shepherds, the so called Islamic culture.]
People of East-Asia, mostly Japanese and Chinese, created in their times an society, where standard of living and technical ability was centuries higher than in Europe. People of East-Asia, mostly Japanese and Chinese, created in their times an society, where standard of living and technical ability was centuries higher than in Europe.
Collectivistic, authoric way of thinking, typical for Asians, lead however to stagnation, because of which for example America and Africa were conquered by Europeans, not by Japanese or Chinese. Collectivistic, authoric way of thinking, typical for Asians, lead however to stagnation, because of which for example America and Africa were conquered by Europeans, not by Japanese or Chinese.
Rationalism and individualism is typical for European way of thinking and a necessary result of these is support of private property and free market-economy. For this reason industrial revolution happened in Europe and not in Asia. Rationalism and individualism is typical for European way of thinking and a necessary result of these is support of private property and free market-economy. For this reason industrial revolution happened in Europe and not in Asia.
Asians can live in a European society, because they have no problems to live by its rules. In their own societies Asians don’t want to implement values of European enlightenment philosophy, because they really see no use for them. Asians [are able to live in an European society] can live in a European society, because they have no problems to live by its rules. In their own societies Asians don’t want to implement values of European
enlightenment philosophy, because they really see no use for them.
Asians think, that for example freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association and gathering and free elections are unnecessary nonsense. Idolatry of leaders as absolutist auctorities, support of official ideology of state without critic and persecution of dissidents are normal, self-evident and necessary things for Asian people. Asians think, that for example freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association and gathering and free elections are unnecessary nonsense. Idolatry of leaders [The serving of leaders] as absolutist auctorities, support of official ideology of [the]state without critic[ism] and persecution of dissidents are normal, self-evident and necessary things for Asian people.
Robberies, rapes, nepotism, corruption, clan-warfare, superstition and murders committed by momentary impulse are normal things for African people. If Africans form majority in some country outside of Africa, this country transforms to Africa. [In the opinions of Africans] robberies, rapes, nepotism, corruption, clan-warfare, superstition and murders committed by momentary impulse are normal things [goings-on] for African people. If Africans form majority in some country outside of Africa, this country transforms into Africa.
This has happened for example in Haiti, where voodoo-culture and society torn by bolshevistic anarchy strangely reminds us of African culture and society. This has happened for example in Haiti, where voodoo-culture and society torn by bolshevistic anarchy strangely reminds us of African culture and society.
In the USA and Canada Negroes behave in somewhat acceptable way only, when they are clearly in minority. Surrounding white society, on the other hand with machinery of violence (police, prisons, armed self-defence, KKK-style vigilantes), on the other hand by social and cultural pressure, forces Negroes to adapt to western culture. In the USA and Canada Negroes behave in [a] somewhat acceptable way only, when they are clearly in minority. Surrounding white society, on the other hand with machinery of violence (police, prisons, armed self-defence, KKK-style vigilantes), on the other hand by social and cultural pressure, forces Negroes to adapt to western culture.
White Americans are of course Europeans, so society dominated by them is a European society in America. White Americans are of course Europeans, so society dominated by them is a European society in America.
Correspondingly black Americans are Africans living in America, so areas dominated by them are African islands in the sea of European white society. Correspondingly black Americans are Africans living in America, so areas dominated by them are African islands in the sea of European white society.
Areas with negro-majority of course would differ more of white areas, if they were independent city-states. Because they belong to the United States, there is the same law in force than in other places in the United States as well. It is, as if the surrounding white society would occupy these negro-enclaves by upkeeping at least some what the laws of white people also within negro-ghettoes. Negroes themselves wouldn’t have created those laws and they wouldn’t try to upkeep them. Areas with negro-majority of course would now differ more of white areas, if they were independent city-states. Because they belong to the United States, there is the same law in force than in other places in the United States as well. It is, as if the surrounding white society would occupy these negro-enclaves by upkeeping at least some what the laws of white people also within negro-ghettoes. Negroes themselves wouldn’t have created those laws and they wouldn’t try to upkeep them.
Negroes obey laws regulated by white society only, when they are concretedly upkept with harsh discipline. If discipline softens, Negroes african biological character of people is manifested in their behaviour. Negroes obey laws regulated by white society only, when they are concretedly upkept with harsh discipline. If discipline softens, Negroes african biological character of people is manifested in their behaviour.
Even a lion can obey man in circus, when it is kept in hard discipline by whip. If man stops upkeeping hard discipline with lion, lion starts jumping on mans face. Even a lion can obey man in circus, when it is kept in hard discipline by whip. If man stops upkeeping hard discipline with lion, lion starts jumping on mans face.
Biology is a destiny. Living creatures can’t do anything for their biology. Every opposition of sociology and biology, for example feminism, is based on attempt to refute mans character as a biological being. Biology is a destiny. Living creatures can’t do anything for their biology. Every opposition of sociology and biology, for example feminism, is based on attempt to refute mans character as a biological being.
Human is however animal, homo sapiens. Man hasn’t been created as a picture of any god. There is no gods and nobody has created human. Human is however animal, homo sapiens. Man hasn’t been created as a picture of any god[in [Man hasn’t been created in any God’s image.]. There is [are] no gods and nobody has created human [people].
Human is biological matter modified by genes, which obey certain biological rules. Like a man needs certain kind of food to stay alive, there are certain rules related to aggressivity, sexuality and intelligence in mans actions. [A]Human is biological matter modified by genes, which obey certain biological rules. Like a man needs certain kind of food to stay alive, there are certain rules related to aggressivity, sexuality and intelligence in mans actions. [I would have translated it a bit different but nonetheless it has the same meaning]
An army created by 100 000 men is stronger than army created by 100 000 women, ceteris paribus. Male population of Finland does more rapes than female population of Finland. Intelligence level of population of 500 million white people is higher than in population of 500 million whites and 100 million Negroes. An army created by 100 000 men is stronger than army created by 100 000 women, ceteris paribus. Male population of Finland does more rapes than female population of Finland. Intelligence level of population of 500 million white people is higher than in population of 500 million whites and 100 million Negroes.
Bringing Negroes to Europe lowers the mean intelligence level of European population, because Negroes have lower median-IQ than whites. Bringing Negroes to Europe lowers the mean intelligence level [lowers the average intelligence level] of European population, because Negroes have lower median-IQ than whites.
There is a positive correlation between intelligence and standard of living. Causality goes in both directions: On the one hand increase in standard of living increases intelligence level by decreasing for example brain-damages caused by malnutrition in population, on the other hand more intelligent population can create higher standard of living for them. There is a positive correlation between intelligence and standard of living. Causality goes in both
directions: On the one hand increase in standard of living increases intelligence level by decreasing for example brain-damages caused by malnutrition in population, on the other hand more intelligent population can create higher standard of living for them.
When the mean intelligence level decreases, the standard of living of the country decreases. Stupid people can’t upkeep high standard of living, because standard of living is the same as the real value of sum of all production of items and services per capita; stupid people can upkeep as valuable total production of commodities as intelligent people, so a more stupid society has a lower standard of living. So bringing Negroes to Europe would lower the standard of living in Europe, even if Negroes wouldn’t be social bums living on taxpayers money. When the mean intelligence level decreases, the standard of living of the country decreases. Stupid people can’t upkeep high standard of
living, because standard of living is the same as the real value of sum of all production of items and services per capita; stupid people can upkeep as valuable total production of commodities as intelligent people, so a more stupid society has a lower standard of living. So bringing Negroes to Europe would lower the standard of living in Europe, even if Negroes wouldn’t be social bums living on taxpayers money.
In addition to this Negroes nowadays are mostly unemployed or other parasites living on European taxpayers money. When more bums living on taxpayers money come to Europe, there is less tax money. The more Negroes come to Europe, the less there can be afforded to public health care, education, pensions, childcare, etc. in Europe. In addition to this Negroes nowadays are mostly unemployed or other parasites living on European taxpayers money. When more bums living on taxpayers money come to Europe, there is less tax money. The more Negroes come to Europe, the less there can be afforded to public health care, education, pensions, childcare, etc. in Europe.
Negroes commit more crimes than white people. When more Negroes are brought to Europe, crime increases. This is not any picture of future, but a realised scenario. In Finland immigrants do more then over 20 times more rapes per capita than Finnish people. Negroes commit more crimes than white people. When more Negroes are brought to Europe, crime increases. This is not any picture of future, but a realised scenario. In Finland immigrants do more then over 20 times more rapes per capita than Finnish people.
The more there is immigrants from Africa and Middle-East in Europe, the more there is crime in Europe. The more there is immigrants from
Africa and Middle-East in Europe, the more there is crime in Europe.
If all non-white people nowadays living in Europe would move back to their countries of origin, crime rate would decrease several tens of percents in Europe. If all non-white people nowadays living in Europe would move back to their countries of origin, crime rate would decrease several tens of percents in Europe.

Update: Furthermore, despite Mikko’scriticism of Aapo Puhakka’s translation,I note that Aapo Puhakka’s notes onMikko’s article infact confirm the central issue which is the problem I (and many others) have with Mikko’s argument:

That the plight of blacks is primarily determined by their biology/genetics. And that that their capacity to behave in a lawful manner – by which I mean in a manner which respects property and person – requires a degree of enforcement which is significantly higher than that which needs to be applied to white/Europeans.

What Aapo Puhakka writesabout Mikko’s article, “Society Consists of People” …

It is a sad thing and a fact, that most countries and communities, where majority of people are of African or Muslim origin, are in a miserable state economically. Whether this is a cause of biological/genetic factor [Prodos: Which I understand to be a reference to Mikko’s position] or the real culprit is traditional African tribal and Islamic culture, is a controversial question, to which there is no definitive answer yet …

I welcome your views.

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Some of the other blogs covering the Mikko issue:

Please let me know of any others. Thanks.

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5 Comments

  1. Of course it’s cultural. The backward “hill-people” in Japan are caucasians, while Condi seems to get through most days without robbing a bank. 1500 years ago, europeans were less developed than the arabs, chinese, indians, khmer and many others.

    The idea that race dictates the quality of a civilisation makes no sense. Looking at history, the leading civilisations have come from a group of different races. It is not feasable to suggest that there has been sufficient genetic mutation over the last 5000 years to explain relative fortunes of the greeco-romans, slavs, germanic peoples, semetic peoples, persians, indians, chinese, mongolians, japanese, khmer, thai etc.

    The thing that changes for these groups is not the genes of the individuals, but the structure of their society, their technology, their customs, their government. And a bit of luck.

    Of course, sometimes it is possible to make a generalisation about people based on their race. For example, when I meet a Japanese person I assume they speak Japanese (and I’m often correct). But it is absurd to conclude that their japanese speaking ability was caused by their race.

    And of course, racial stereotypes often break-down in successful multi-racial countries like Australia. If you try to speak chinese to a chinese looking person in Australia you’re just as likely to get a response of “sorry mate… don’t speak japanese”. 🙂

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  2. Thanks John!

    Very nicely presented! 🙂

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  3. “The thing that changes for these groups is not the genes of the individuals, but the structure of their society, their technology, their customs, their government. And a bit of luck.”

    But what causes them to create their cultures, customs and technology? Their brains. What are brains? A biological organ. Some people think that Africans are not as intelligent and otherwise mentally adept as most other races, and we can see that they have not produced much if anything in terms of culture and technology. So, maybe their lack of progress has resulted from their biological lack of intelligence (compared to other races), or something to that effect.

    This seems pretty logical to me, though I don’t know if it’s true, since I don’t know that much about the subject. Just speculating.

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  4. some1 writes:

    But what causes them to create their cultures, customs and technology? Their brains. What are brains? A biological organ.”

    I wouldn’t say that brains – physical/biological brains – as such, do the causing or creating of culture.

    I would locate the cause in the mind which is, of course, physically located in the brain. However, I don’t consider brain and mind to be interchangeable terms.

    What is distinctive about the human mind is its volitional capacity. i.e. free will – the choice to think. And one of the distinctive attributes of that human volitional capacity is that it is controlled only by the individual owner/possessor of each mind.

    “Some people think that Africans are not as intelligent and otherwise mentally adept as most other races, and we can see that they have not produced much if anything in terms of culture and technology. So, maybe their lack of progress has resulted from their biological lack of intelligence (compared to other races), or something to that effect.”

    I have now read many scientific studies correlating race and performance on IQ tests. I encourage these studies to continue. It’s unfortunate that there is such a strong sense of taboo surrounding this area of research. I’ve come across many, many articles objecting to those who have identified a Race/Intellegience-test correlation which are simply hysterical in word and tone.

    I’d also like to see a lot more studies exploring other possible correlations, in search of actual causes.

    Correlations do not necessarily indicate cause-and-effect.

    Observing, say, two group of humans and noticing that one group has not advanced as much as the other group is fine.

    Then noticing that there is a racial difference between the backward group and the advanced groups is fine.

    Raising a question about whether the different achievements of the two groups could have a genetic/biological dimension is also fine.

    As observations and speculations, I don’t see any problems with all this.

    However, no matter how many measurements and correlations we may obtain, establishing a causal link between phenemona requires a broader scope of research.

    Thomas Sowell (and perhaps others) have opened up the issue of the role that geography may play, for instance.

    “This seems pretty logical to me, though I don

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  5. Actually, the scientific method has been around for a significant period of time, developed by the ancient Greeks – but science is always up against some sort of dogma that has no relation to facts. The dogma of the latter, post WWII is that all races are equal, except the Jews, who are special and favored and superior to all. An educated person knows that genetics is the overwhelming determinant of a races / individuals intelligence. It is not accurate to portray the Aryans peoples as cavemen “1500” years ago – 1500 years ago the Aryan peoples had developed advanced mathematics. The Greeks developed algebra, for example. Look at the prehistoric monuments calculated to predict solar events, for example, and the unparalleled progress of Aryan man in the last 2000 years. Marxist doctrine of universal equality of the races is bunk – wake up or Finland will look like Somalia or Zimbabwe or South Africa, or Chad or Detroit – and there won’t be any going back !

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